Renewal Pierce Damage
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Issue information
Issue ID
#5300
Status
Needs more Info
Severity
None
Started
Hercules Elf Bot
Feb 7, 2012 1:02
Last Post
Hercules Elf Bot
Jun 29, 2012 13:40
Confirmation
Hercules Elf Bot - Feb 7, 2012 1:02
Originally posted by [b]Aleos[/b]
Pre-renewal pierce damage was calculated based off of hard (equip) and soft (VIT) DEF. This leads to a large amount of damage since DEF was increased in renewal. The new renewal calculation is (hard DEF/2). It would be nice to have this changed since renewal stats are in place (even though lots of renewal stuff is being put on hold) and this leads to players easily dealing more damage than they should. The line below needs to be changed:
battle.c
[code]ATK_RATE2(
flag.idef ?100:(flag.pdef ?(int)(flag.pdef *(def1+vit_def)):(1+(900-def1)/9)),
flag.idef2?100:(flag.pdef2?(int)(flag.pdef2*(def1+vit_def)):(1+(900-def1)/9))
);[/code]
to
[code]ATK_RATE2(
flag.idef ?100:(flag.pdef ?(int)(flag.pdef *(def1/2)):(1+(900-def1)/9)),
flag.idef2?100:(flag.pdef2?(int)(flag.pdef2*(def1/2)):(1+(900-def1)/9))
);[/code]
Source: [url=http://forums.irowiki.org/showthread.php?t=44443]iRO Wiki Forum[/url]
Pre-renewal pierce damage was calculated based off of hard (equip) and soft (VIT) DEF. This leads to a large amount of damage since DEF was increased in renewal. The new renewal calculation is (hard DEF/2). It would be nice to have this changed since renewal stats are in place (even though lots of renewal stuff is being put on hold) and this leads to players easily dealing more damage than they should. The line below needs to be changed:
battle.c
[code]ATK_RATE2(
flag.idef ?100:(flag.pdef ?(int)(flag.pdef *(def1+vit_def)):(1+(900-def1)/9)),
flag.idef2?100:(flag.pdef2?(int)(flag.pdef2*(def1+vit_def)):(1+(900-def1)/9))
);[/code]
to
[code]ATK_RATE2(
flag.idef ?100:(flag.pdef ?(int)(flag.pdef *(def1/2)):(1+(900-def1)/9)),
flag.idef2?100:(flag.pdef2?(int)(flag.pdef2*(def1/2)):(1+(900-def1)/9))
);[/code]
Source: [url=http://forums.irowiki.org/showthread.php?t=44443]iRO Wiki Forum[/url]
This post has been edited by Aleos on Feb 10, 2012 2:36
Hercules Elf Bot - Feb 8, 2012 4:27
Originally posted by [b]Xantara[/b]
Although I think this is true as there are at least a few of other threads mentioning this (and the def increase in renewal), there still seems like there is a couple of parts in the actual iRO wiki saying IP and such still depend on soft vit. It might just be that they haven't updated em yet though...? =s
Although I think this is true as there are at least a few of other threads mentioning this (and the def increase in renewal), there still seems like there is a couple of parts in the actual iRO wiki saying IP and such still depend on soft vit. It might just be that they haven't updated em yet though...? =s
Hercules Elf Bot - Feb 8, 2012 14:15
Originally posted by [b]Aleos[/b]
A lot of the actual wiki pages are wrong still for pierce damage. It still states that Ice Pick/Occult Impact/etc are calculated from soft + hard DEF (Which is wrong). That's why I tried to get my source link from the forum rather than the actual iRO wiki page. You can see [url=http://irowiki.org/wiki/Ice_Pick]here[/url] of what I'm talking about.
This is the formula that Doddler put up:
[quote]
[b]Icepick Damage[/b]
FinalDamage(Icepick) = [①+ ② ± ③ + MasteryATK + (TargetEquipDEF/2)] * (600 / EquipDEF+600) - StatusDef
* (Icepick no longer bypasses defense, but gains 1 atk per def. This atk does not stack with skill modifiers)[/quote]
A lot of the actual wiki pages are wrong still for pierce damage. It still states that Ice Pick/Occult Impact/etc are calculated from soft + hard DEF (Which is wrong). That's why I tried to get my source link from the forum rather than the actual iRO wiki page. You can see [url=http://irowiki.org/wiki/Ice_Pick]here[/url] of what I'm talking about.
This is the formula that Doddler put up:
[quote]
[b]Icepick Damage[/b]
FinalDamage(Icepick) = [①+ ② ± ③ + MasteryATK + (TargetEquipDEF/2)] * (600 / EquipDEF+600) - StatusDef
* (Icepick no longer bypasses defense, but gains 1 atk per def. This atk does not stack with skill modifiers)[/quote]
This post has been edited by Aleos on Feb 8, 2012 14:16
Hercules Elf Bot - Feb 10, 2012 9:27
Originally posted by [b]Gepard[/b]
Ok, to summarize: Ice Pick effect in RE is "ignore defense and add 1 attack per 2 target's equip DEF".
Questions:
Is additional attack affected by skill bonus? Or anything else?
Does IP ignore all def or just equip def?
Ok, to summarize: Ice Pick effect in RE is "ignore defense and add 1 attack per 2 target's equip DEF".
Questions:
Is additional attack affected by skill bonus? Or anything else?
Does IP ignore all def or just equip def?
Hercules Elf Bot - May 26, 2012 6:02
Originally posted by [b]vlatag12[/b]
is this already fixed?
is this already fixed?
Hercules Elf Bot - Jun 4, 2012 13:40
Originally posted by [b]Aleos[/b]
@Gepard
As per Doddler's quote above, additional skill attack does not stack but people in the [url=http://forums.irowiki.org/showthread.php?t=44443]forums[/url] tend to say otherwise. Ice Pick ignores all DEF and increases attack by hard DEF (Equips), not soft DEF (VIT).
@vlatag12
Not yet.
@Gepard
As per Doddler's quote above, additional skill attack does not stack but people in the [url=http://forums.irowiki.org/showthread.php?t=44443]forums[/url] tend to say otherwise. Ice Pick ignores all DEF and increases attack by hard DEF (Equips), not soft DEF (VIT).
@vlatag12
Not yet.
Hercules Elf Bot - Jun 16, 2012 4:33
Originally posted by [b]exneval[/b]
maybe i can up this issue with
[CODE]
Now it only increases e.Atk by (target_s e.Def)/2 and bypasses s.Def and e.Def.
[/CODE]
maybe i can up this issue with
[CODE]
Now it only increases e.Atk by (target_s e.Def)/2 and bypasses s.Def and e.Def.
[/CODE]
This post has been edited by exneval on Jun 16, 2012 4:38
Hercules Elf Bot - Jun 16, 2012 11:59
Originally posted by [b]Wildcard[/b]
Will be added with the complete renewal atk calcs, when and if I finish them. For now, I will have to appeal to your patience for some more. Thank you for the info, I will verify and work it in, it was actually still on my todo list.
Will be added with the complete renewal atk calcs, when and if I finish them. For now, I will have to appeal to your patience for some more. Thank you for the info, I will verify and work it in, it was actually still on my todo list.
Hercules Elf Bot - Jun 17, 2012 15:17
Originally posted by [b]juniez[/b]
[quote name='Wildcard' timestamp='1339847959' post='10720']
Will be added with the complete renewal atk calcs, when and if I finish them. For now, I will have to appeal to your patience for some more. Thank you for the info, I will verify and work it in, it was actually still on my todo list.
[/quote]
any progress ?
[quote name='Wildcard' timestamp='1339847959' post='10720']
Will be added with the complete renewal atk calcs, when and if I finish them. For now, I will have to appeal to your patience for some more. Thank you for the info, I will verify and work it in, it was actually still on my todo list.
[/quote]
any progress ?
Hercules Elf Bot - Jun 29, 2012 13:40
Originally posted by [b]wakoko321[/b]
Hope this will be released too..
having a hard time balancing some skills due to piercing effect..
Hope this will be released too..
having a hard time balancing some skills due to piercing effect..