Problem with Flee

Originally posted by [b]Aleos[/b]
I can confirm this also.

Originally posted by [b]Ind[/b]
I've gone thru the flee calculation until i realized the problem might actually be the hit calculation, being in renewal it's made level+dex+(luk/3)+175 -- which allows mobs to have that high hit rate even at low levels, so the question now becomes: how is it done in officials?

Originally posted by [b]Poseid0n[/b]
I don't understand why there is "+175" at the end of the formula, it cancels completely the concept of flee.

I a not certain, but logic would dictate that the formula is : [b]level+dex+(luk/3)[/b] which corresponds to the calculation of hit. Which will in any case closer to the official on which the concept dodge exists.

Poseidon.

Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Really annoying bug...

Bathories need 323 flee to be evaded, at least thats what irowiki says but i can make only about 40% dodge with 355 flee

..... But the irowiki description seems to be outdated to me:


Dodge Rate(%) = 100% - (Attacker [url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/Hit"]Hit[/url] + 80 - Defenders Flee) ("Attackers Hit" also applies for monsters as (Baselevel + [url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/DEX"]DEX[/url]))

I thested this with a novice character with exactly the same stats as bathories and same lvl, without anything equipped and it looked that monsters use the player based status calculation, cause i had about 60% hit against my 355 flee character with this novice


As I noticed, if we use the following dodge calculation:
% = 100 - (attacker hit - defender flee)

and we calculate the monster's hit like:
175 + BLVL + DEX

then the bathory calculation will be like:
Monster's hit = 175 + 86 + 67 = 328

Calculating dodge rate with the previous formula with irowiki's 323 flee what claimed to provide 95% dodge against bathory:
Dodge rate = 100 - (328 - 323) = 95%
That's correct

So it seems that monster hit calculation goes like:
175 + BLVL + DEX

And dodge calculation is:
% = 100 - (attacker hit - defender flee)

So that's 2 things needed to be corrected.


ps. Irowiki is pretty messed up right now, not very reliable... half pre-re half re infos on renewal wiki. Use it wisely!

Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Any words on this issue? Is this fixed or needs more info?

Originally posted by [b]Ind[/b]
I don't think that "100 - <etc" is correct because renewal flee calculation adds 100 to the final value -- it'd nullify itself

Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
No, it wouldn't.

The 100 in the dodge calculation is in percent and the 100 in flee calc is pure 100.

So what happened in renewal that they balance the dodge rate in the flee/hit calculation instead of the dodge.
To see what I mean:

OLD FORMULA (stat only):
[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]Flee = Level + AGI[/size][/font][/color]
Hit = Level + DEX
[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]Dodge Rate(%) = 100% - (Attacker [/size][/font][/color][url="http://irowiki.org/oldwiki/Hit"]Hit[/url][color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3] + 80 - Defenders Flee) [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3] [/size][/font][/color]


[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]RENEWAL FORMULA (stat only):[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]Flee = 100 + Level + AGI + (LUK / 5)[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]Hit = 175 + Level + DEX + (LUK / 3)[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]Dodge Rate(%) = 100% - (Attacker [/size][/font][/color][url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/Hit"]Hit[/url][color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3] - Defenders Flee)[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3] [/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]So what happened, is they moved the +80 from the dodge calculation into the hit calculation (hit gets 175 starting value, flee gets 100. Thats +75 on hit, and the remaining 5 is found in the luk part (every 3 luk adds 1hit but only every 5luk adds 1 flee). So that's why there is no +80 in the renewal dodge calculation. If we add +80 in the dodge calc and +75 in the renewal hit calc, that would be way to much on the hit's part, and that's why it's nearly impossible now to get enough flee (currently we use renewal hit and flee calc and pre-re dodge).[/size][/font][/color]

Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
As I see now irowiki was updated to the same formula I mentioned :
[url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/FLEE#Dodge_Calculation"]http://irowiki.org/wiki/FLEE#Dodge_Calculation[/url]

Also:
[url="http://ro.doddlercon.com/wiki/index.php?title=Renewal_Changes#FLEE_and_HIT"]http://ro.doddlercon.com/wiki/index.php?title=Renewal_Changes#FLEE_and_HIT[/url]

Originally posted by [b]WhoEverKnows[/b]
I don't mean to press on anyone, but is there any chance this will be fixed soon? Or is it a more complex phenomenon? It's quite hard to play with these calculations

Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Current rAthena code in this issue

[u][b]status.c[/b][/u]

#if REMODE //Renewal Formulas
status->hit += level + status->dex + status->luk/3 + 175; //base level + ( every 1 dex = +1 hit ) + (every 3 luk = +1 hit) [u][b]+ 175[/b][/u]
status->flee += level + status->agi + status->luk/5 + 100; //base level + ( every 1 agi = +1 flee ) + (every 5 luk = +1 flee) + 100


[u][b]battle.c[/b][/u]

if (!flag.hit)
{ //Hit/Flee calculation
short
flee = tstatus->flee,
[u][b]hitrate=80;[/b][/u] //Default hitrate

In renewal there is no need for default hitrate because of the +175. It has the same role.
In the current, bugged state you need (75 + 80 =) 155 more flee than the opponent's hit. That makes 50%+ dodge nearly impossible.

Probably an "IF REMODE" should do the trick. If pre-renewal, then hitrate = 80, if renewal then hitreate = 0 should be used as default hitrate.

Please fix this. Agi build players are unplayable

Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Okay.. So I believe this should do the trick

battle.c

[CODE]
if (!flag.hit)
{ //Hit/Flee calculation
short
flee = tstatus->flee,
hitrate=80; //Default hitrate
[/CODE]

supplemented to this:

[CODE]
if (!flag.hit)
{ //Hit/Flee calculation
short
flee = tstatus->flee,
hitrate=80; //Default hitrate
#if REMODE
hitrate -= 80;
#endif
[/CODE]

Originally posted by [b]Vali[/b]
Better:

[CODE]
if (!flag.hit)
{ //Hit/Flee calculation
short
flee = tstatus->flee,
#if REMODE
hitrate=0; //Default hitrate
#else
hitrate=80; //Default hitrate
#endif
[/CODE]

Vali~

Originally posted by [b]Ind[/b]
Thanks Argezerus and Vali! Should be fixed in [rev=15704]

Originally posted by [b]Vali[/b]
Hi,
You must change too the line 1375 (battle.c) that is the one that affects really to the player.

Vali~

Originally posted by [b]Ind[/b]
thanks for pointing out. should be fixed in [rev=15721]