Frenzy [Lord Knight]

Originally posted by [b]Ind[/b]
OK I'd like confirmation on the value then in order to proceed, would like to know if its really +15

Originally posted by [b]MarkZD[/b]
Tested on bRO, it adds 12 aspd as you can check:

[url="http://imageshack.us/g/13/screenthor009nd.jpg/"]http://imageshack.us/g/13/screenthor009nd.jpg/[/url]

Originally posted by [b]Poseid0n[/b]
Hello, I also want to point, I don't know if it's really a bug, but it's a nonsense :

When you change your job into Rune Knight, you keep "Berserk" if you had put the skill before. But if you reset your skills, you cannot put "Berserk" anymore. It's because, "Berserk" can only be up at level job 50 (in advance class), but it remains for Classe 3.

It would make more sense, to can up Berkerk regardless job level when the character is Rune Knight.

Poseidon

Originally posted by [b]myrmiddon[/b]
try the aspd calc of irowiki, i hope this can help alot about all the issues regarding aspd problem for renewal mechanic. developer can check out this http://irowiki.org/wiki/ASPD

Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
[quote name='myrmiddon' timestamp='1332563977' post='7944']
try the aspd calc of irowiki, i hope this can help alot about all the issues regarding aspd problem for renewal mechanic. developer can check out this [url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/ASPD"]http://irowiki.org/wiki/ASPD[/url]
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[quote][color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3][/size][/font][/color][b]This article or section needs to be updated to reflect [i]Renewal[/i]content.[/b][/quote]

Skill formulas are outdated. They are no longer multiplicative bonuses, but additive.

Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
[quote name='MarkZD' timestamp='1332534663' post='7939']
Tested on bRO, it adds 12 aspd as you can check:[url="http://imageshack.us/g/13/screenthor009nd.jpg/"]http://imageshack.us...nthor009nd.jpg/[/url]
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Now we just need to make sure that this value is fixed with any other basic aspd. I hope bRo uses the same formulas as kRo in this matter Can you check it please with different agi/aspd (equipments or bufs) ?

Originally posted by [b]MarkZD[/b]
I'll try with some eqps, bRO from what I know is the original gravity's source as I have never seen any modification in its source, the provider just put new things translated and it's done,

Since kRO must be the original gravity's source too( I think only jRO and maybe iRO have custom changes, not sure), so bRO = kRO, but bRO is a little late, just it.

Originally posted by [b]MarkZD[/b]
In the lasts pictures, blessing and increase agi lv 10, forget about others as they don't mean to tests at all.

It's ordered by number: With/ With out Frenzy.

name007: Has not frenzy
name008: Has frenzy

[url="http://imageshack.us/g/259/screenthor035.jpg/"]http://imageshack.us/g/259/screenthor035.jpg/[/url]

As imageshack didn't ordered it very well, you may want to download all files to look in a comfortable way:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d89w4h0gc2bcjrw

Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Thank you. Well this is a bit confuzing result

Fortunately I have found this description about the renewal changes, written by Doddler, who tests on kRo and it says +15 aspd with frenzy.
[url="http://ro.doddlercon.com/wiki/index.php?title=Renewal_Changes#Skills"]http://ro.doddlercon.com/wiki/index.php?title=Renewal_Changes#Skills[/url]


Also the original article by Atum on iRo:
[url="http://forums.irowiki.org/showpost.php?p=392377&postcount=1"]http://forums.irowiki.org/showpost.php?p=392377&postcount=1[/url]

Originally posted by [b]MarkZD[/b]
Yeah, I've found it confused too, but developers probably will know how it works now that you put this usefull link. ;D

Originally posted by [b]Myrmiddon[/b]
for what i have read, every localized server has different formula when it comes to aspd but they have a one main formula to start with and which i found very vague and thats what i have understand at the iro forum discussion about it. i have found a calc which is very close to what aspd should like and i uses iro aspd formula *i think* http://www.scs.ryerson.ca/%7Ec5tam/aspdcalc/

Originally posted by [b]MarkZD[/b]
I just said it adds 12 aspd because I made a mistake telling the final value as it was the real, as you can see there's a formula that can change a lot the end value, so it must add 15 aspd in true, but with the formula Doddler provided it will result in those values from images I provided.

There're some differences between servers in true.
I think only base aspd is edited on servers and that formula is only one to all.
[url="http://rathena.org/board/topic/53946-comparatives-of-renewal-mechanics/"]http://rathena.org/board/topic/53946-comparatives-of-renewal-mechanics/[/url]

Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Thanks again

So this means it is confirmed.

[b]Frenzy adds +15 aspd.[/b]
[b]Frenzy's bonus does NOT stack with Two Hand Quicken's bonus[/b](Confirmed by irowiki, kro renewal update notice)

(Although, the +15 bonus means that it gives twice+ as much aspd, as THQ(+7), so now the only big difference is with spears, because they will have a bonus luke Spear Quicken and Frenzy would add together in the old mechanics.(for Crusaders/Paladins with LK card). )

Originally posted by [b]MarkZD[/b]
I hope devs can [color=#000000][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]deciphing[/size][/font][/color] better the calcs, to check if it's correct.

I'll try to get some friend with THQ and Frenzy to check the difference in aspd gain, but it'wont be today as I have much work to do.

Originally posted by [b]Ind[/b]
Oki thank you all for the information.
Fixed in [rev=15848]