[Ninja] Skill delays
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Issue information
Issue ID
#5659
Status
Needs more Info
Severity
None
Started
Hercules Elf Bot
Apr 28, 2012 12:10
Last Post
mkbu95
Jan 19, 2013 20:43
Confirmation
Hercules Elf Bot - Apr 28, 2012 12:10
Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Hi!
The Ninja skills Lightning Spear of Ice, and Crimson Fire Blossom should have no cast delay at all.
/edit
Lightning Crash, and North Wind as well shouldn't have any delay.
[url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/Lightning_Jolt"]http://irowiki.org/wiki/Lightning_Jolt[/url]
[url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/First_Wind"]http://irowiki.org/wiki/First_Wind[/url]
//edit
Now the cat hand shows on the skillbar if you cast, and as I see it disappears after an ASPD like delay, but even after it disappears you can't recast any of the skills until the first finishes. Officially, you should be able to spam these two skills without any delay.
Ice skill desc on iw:
[quote] [b]Cast Delay:[/b] None
[/quote]
[url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/Freezing_Spear"]http://irowiki.org/wiki/Freezing_Spear[/url]
Fire skill desc on iw:
[quote] [b]Cast Delay:[/b] None
[/quote]
[url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/Flaming_Petals"]http://irowiki.org/wiki/Flaming_Petals[/url]
You can see in this video at the two mentioned skills that the cat hand doesen't appear after the cast, so absolutely no delay there.
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvnzQWxSGZs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvnzQWxSGZs[/url]
And here they spam the Ice skill on official:
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppW8c1mAZUQ&feature=relmfu"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppW8c1mAZUQ&feature=relmfu[/url]
Please fix this. With the bugged matk system and with this in addition a magi ninja is way too weak
Hi!
The Ninja skills Lightning Spear of Ice, and Crimson Fire Blossom should have no cast delay at all.
/edit
Lightning Crash, and North Wind as well shouldn't have any delay.
[url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/Lightning_Jolt"]http://irowiki.org/wiki/Lightning_Jolt[/url]
[url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/First_Wind"]http://irowiki.org/wiki/First_Wind[/url]
//edit
Now the cat hand shows on the skillbar if you cast, and as I see it disappears after an ASPD like delay, but even after it disappears you can't recast any of the skills until the first finishes. Officially, you should be able to spam these two skills without any delay.
Ice skill desc on iw:
[quote] [b]Cast Delay:[/b] None
[/quote]
[url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/Freezing_Spear"]http://irowiki.org/wiki/Freezing_Spear[/url]
Fire skill desc on iw:
[quote] [b]Cast Delay:[/b] None
[/quote]
[url="http://irowiki.org/wiki/Flaming_Petals"]http://irowiki.org/wiki/Flaming_Petals[/url]
You can see in this video at the two mentioned skills that the cat hand doesen't appear after the cast, so absolutely no delay there.
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvnzQWxSGZs"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvnzQWxSGZs[/url]
And here they spam the Ice skill on official:
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppW8c1mAZUQ&feature=relmfu"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppW8c1mAZUQ&feature=relmfu[/url]
Please fix this. With the bugged matk system and with this in addition a magi ninja is way too weak
This post has been edited by Angezerus on Apr 28, 2012 12:17
Hercules Elf Bot - May 2, 2012 13:16
Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Hercules Elf Bot - May 3, 2012 3:09
Originally posted by [b]Ind[/b]
I confirmed on official server that these 4 skills indeed have no delay. working on it.
I confirmed on official server that these 4 skills indeed have no delay. working on it.
Hercules Elf Bot - May 3, 2012 3:11
Originally posted by [b]Ind[/b]
ehm o_ó i've checked our files and all 4 of them have no delay.
ehm o_ó i've checked our files and all 4 of them have no delay.
Hercules Elf Bot - May 3, 2012 3:14
Originally posted by [b]Ind[/b]
The delay we have on them seem to be coming from the minimum skill delay setting
[code]
return max(time, battle_config.min_skill_delay_limit);
[/code]
The delay we have on them seem to be coming from the minimum skill delay setting
[code]
return max(time, battle_config.min_skill_delay_limit);
[/code]
Hercules Elf Bot - May 3, 2012 8:02
Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Then this must be the one causing this one as well and not the casttime to be slow:
[url="http://rathena.org/board/tracker/issue-5501-musical-strike-melody-strike/"]http://rathena.org/board/tracker/issue-5501-musical-strike-melody-strike/[/url]
I have also noticed that the thief quest skill back slide has larger delay than aspd, so you can't cast it fast even with high aspd. So this must be the same problem.
Then this must be the one causing this one as well and not the casttime to be slow:
[url="http://rathena.org/board/tracker/issue-5501-musical-strike-melody-strike/"]http://rathena.org/board/tracker/issue-5501-musical-strike-melody-strike/[/url]
I have also noticed that the thief quest skill back slide has larger delay than aspd, so you can't cast it fast even with high aspd. So this must be the same problem.
This post has been edited by Angezerus on Jun 11, 2012 9:28
Hercules Elf Bot - Jun 11, 2012 9:29
Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Bump?
Bump?
Hercules Elf Bot - Jun 16, 2012 17:52
Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
okay, so you say i'ts the min skill delay. Then if it's not official, please disable or set it to 0 by default. Many other skills are reported being delayed, like taekwon combos and others and thus unusable.
okay, so you say i'ts the min skill delay. Then if it's not official, please disable or set it to 0 by default. Many other skills are reported being delayed, like taekwon combos and others and thus unusable.
Hercules Elf Bot - Jun 26, 2012 9:35
Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Hercules Elf Bot - Oct 16, 2012 10:29
Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Hercules Elf Bot - Oct 29, 2012 4:10
Originally posted by [b]Golem1988[/b]
And I wolud say thros kunai is dealing about 5k damage... but now It deals about 900 dmg and It's not normal I would say...
And I wolud say thros kunai is dealing about 5k damage... but now It deals about 900 dmg and It's not normal I would say...
Hercules Elf Bot - Nov 8, 2012 21:29
Originally posted by [b]Golem1988[/b]
Okay, seems noone cares about this.. "needs more info" is a good reason not to fix skills and etc. And no matter if they work unbalanced, too weak or too strong. Noone just don't care.
10 days bump.
Okay, seems noone cares about this.. "needs more info" is a good reason not to fix skills and etc. And no matter if they work unbalanced, too weak or too strong. Noone just don't care.
10 days bump.
Hercules Elf Bot - Nov 12, 2012 10:33
Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Bump
Bump
Hercules Elf Bot - Nov 28, 2012 19:31
Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
[quote name='Ind' timestamp='1336014864' post='8908']
The delay we have on them seem to be coming from the minimum skill delay setting[code]return max(time, battle_config.min_skill_delay_limit);[/code]
[/quote]
After setting the minimum cast delay to 0 in skill.conf, I still experience the problem. The skills still have some delay, that is aspd based. Please check it.
[quote name='Ind' timestamp='1336014864' post='8908']
The delay we have on them seem to be coming from the minimum skill delay setting[code]return max(time, battle_config.min_skill_delay_limit);[/code]
[/quote]
After setting the minimum cast delay to 0 in skill.conf, I still experience the problem. The skills still have some delay, that is aspd based. Please check it.
Hercules Elf Bot - Nov 29, 2012 12:46
Originally posted by [b]Angezerus[/b]
Maybe I found an answer:
skill.c
[quote]//min delay
time = max(time, status_get_amotion(bl)); // Delay can never be below amotion [Playtester][/quote]
This is true in most cases, but not in the case of these ninja skills. They do NOT have motion delay neither. So it is not true what Playtester commented on that line. This also explains the aspd based delay, because motion delay is related to aspd somehow.
I don't know if I'm right and this is the cause, but the mentioned skills shouldn't have ANY kind of delay exactly as you can see in the videos I posted before. (No delay icon appears at all on the skill icons)
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't know any change in pre-/renewal that changed all skills to be motion delayed in addition to their regular delay.... So there might be other skills that should not be affected by motion delay..
Please someone check this
Maybe I found an answer:
skill.c
[quote]//min delay
time = max(time, status_get_amotion(bl)); // Delay can never be below amotion [Playtester][/quote]
This is true in most cases, but not in the case of these ninja skills. They do NOT have motion delay neither. So it is not true what Playtester commented on that line. This also explains the aspd based delay, because motion delay is related to aspd somehow.
I don't know if I'm right and this is the cause, but the mentioned skills shouldn't have ANY kind of delay exactly as you can see in the videos I posted before. (No delay icon appears at all on the skill icons)
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't know any change in pre-/renewal that changed all skills to be motion delayed in addition to their regular delay.... So there might be other skills that should not be affected by motion delay..
Please someone check this
This post has been edited by Angezerus on Nov 29, 2012 12:52